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May 2, 2025

PUP’s Steve Sladkowski picks his favorite punk guitar innovators Guitarcontact

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PUP’s music inhabits a bizarre house. Their songs are enjoyable – as evidenced by exhibits which might be famously enjoyable, all sweat and shouting and chaos – however their songs usually are not about having enjoyable. Their new file Who Will Look After The Canines?, for instance, spends half-hour or so staring into the void left behind by a disruptive shift in life circumstances, and but it’s a lot enjoyable. Beneath a mountain of chaotic riffs, earworm leads and barked choruses they crush stress, self-loathing and drama right into a diamond.

It’s fascinating to be taught, although, that the Toronto pop-punks’ fifth album is definitely the results of them relinquishing management for the primary time whereas setting apart the perfectionism that’s threatened to eat them alive prior to now. To an extent, that is what it seems to be like when PUP attempt to have enjoyable within the studio. “There’s solely a lot rest that this band is able to,” guitarist Steve Sladkowski admits. “I feel the 4 of us simply have a baseline neuroticism. Somewhat than battle towards it, I feel we simply discovered methods to mitigate a few of the most damaging parts.”

Who Will Look After The Canines? was recorded throughout a 3 week session in Los Angeles with John Congleton, a producer with a starry rep for making pop data for insane individuals due to previous work with everybody from St. Vincent to Model Pussy. PUP’s present work definitely runs in parallel to that splendid, with Sladkowski’s improv-inspired taking part in offering an antic edge as vocalist-guitarist Stefan Babcock empties his guts on repeat, however right here they’ve upped the ante.

Every tune, from the smashy anti-anthem No Hope to the waltzing melancholy of Starvation For Loss of life, arrives adorned with in-your-face fuzz, needling drones and euphoric noise, the rhythm part of bassist Nestor Chumak and drummer Zack Mykula ducking and weaving. “Getting away from being too treasured, with the timeline John prompt, was an fascinating problem for us,” Sladkowski says. “Not everybody takes the identical problem the identical method within the band.”

PUP, photo by Martyna Wisniewska
Picture: Martyna Wisniewska

“What John cares about is the artwork type,” he continues. “You might go into the Rick Rubin world the place they’re there as a form of vibe guardian, the place they sit within the again they usually’re not likely doing a tonne of the technical act of creating the file, however we realised in a short time that’s not John. He was sitting on the pc, hitting file and trusting his style. I feel that’s a part of why it really works the best way it does. He wouldn’t allow us to overstep when he felt like we had a take. He was excellent at being like, ‘We’re gonna preserve shifting.’”

Earlier than heading to LA, Sladkowski did simply sufficient planning, mapping issues out in his thoughts and on a sequence of charts in order that he’d be ready to roll with the punches when it mattered. It’s an strategy he refers to as ‘construction not dogma.’ “I had a fairly good working concept of sign paths, pedal chains and tones that I wished, primarily based on the demos we’d be doing,” he says. “I had a pocket book the place I used to be preserving a log of all of that. But when one thing wanted to vary – sure songs had for much longer sections earlier than John acquired maintain of them – I wasn’t thrown off in such a method that I felt like I didn’t know what I may do.”

Gear-wise, this perspective carried over. For the primary time, Sladkowski left the studio believing that he may have made the identical file with out bringing alongside a single piece of his personal gear. He mainly performed a Thurston Moore signature Jazzmaster that was gifted to Congleton by the Sonic Youth icon himself. “He goes, ‘That’s the guitar Annie tried to purchase off me,’” he remembers. “And also you’re like, ‘Oh, proper. St. Vincent, your good friend, Annie.’ Come on, man, what are you doing to me right here?”

“I did play my Tele, which is from the early 2000s and has a Bigsby,” he provides. “I’ve been taking part in it since I used to be in highschool. I performed a Gretsch Nation Gentleman a bit, that’s from both the late ‘60s or early ‘70s. I used a Fender Deluxe or a Twin, and a Jazz Refrain. My tones are usually those which might be just a little bit extra affected – I all the time go for headroom. If I’m utilizing a combo, it’s acquired to be a loud Fender, one thing that may take pedals fairly properly. I’m an enormous fan of the Boss RC-20XL to make drones. The stuff you hear in Concrete is all that. If we discovered an results chain that was extra ambient – John had numerous Chase Bliss stuff – I might play a loop, he would take a minute of it, and I would depart it to him to place it wherever he thought it made sense.”

Scraping away a few of these layers reveals Sladkowski’s work on Who Will Look After The Canines? to be an exhilarating instance of what will be achieved in tight areas while you’re prepared to see constraint as a inventive immediate. He’s all the time getting ready to spiralling away into one other realm earlier than clinging on to the driving, faultlessly hooky coronary heart of the songs – the outro solo on Merciless is just a little marvel, all hairpin turns and dizzying flurries – and his checklist of favorite punk, or punk-adjacent, guitar gamers solely displays this facet of his outlook.

“I like free improvisation, full avant garde,” he says. “The problem, particularly in these guitar breaks that lend themselves to freak outs, is marrying that mentality that I like about improv music with the parameters that the band units. I feel, prior to now, I might bristle just a little bit at that, and generally I nonetheless do. However one of many good issues about working with John was that very early on he and I realised we had the identical favorite guitar participant: Marc Ribot.”

So, with out additional ado…

Marc Ribot

“I can’t clarify how life-affirming and creatively game-changing discovering Marc Ribot was for me. He was in a position to be in that loopy avant-garde noise, downtown New York CBGB scene alongside John Zorn and Tv whereas additionally being the session participant on Robert Plant and Alison Krauss data, or with Tom Waits and the Black Keys. Then he’s in a position to fully shapeshift once more and be like, ‘I put out a file the place I performed the guitar with balloons.’ Discovering a man like that, who simply wasn’t enthusiastic about being like I’m a jazz man, or I’m a rock man, was such an necessary factor.”

Nels Cline

“What was necessary [with discovering Nels Cline] was eighth notes and the way you strategy taking part in eighth notes in a scenario that tells you it is advisable to play eighth notes. He will be tremendous jazzy. He will be tremendous noisy. He will be very punk, proper? He speaks brazenly about Tom Verlaine’s affect on him. Tv, once more. Tom Verlaine may very well be this entire checklist, I feel, and folks would know what you’re getting at. To play cool guitar solos prior to now 25 years, and never really feel prefer it’s low cost or corny or no matter, I feel Nels Cline is a man who lit that path in a contemporary method. Someone has to do it for each era and I feel he’s a type of for individuals of their mid-to-late 30s.”

Noël Akchoté

“This man’s punk, however I wouldn’t say he’s punk in the best way that PUP is punk. He’s been doing these actually fascinating DIY home-recorded releases. I feel in 2022 or 2023 he put out like 20 – a few of them had been an hour, a few of them had been 20 minutes. He’s completed all Erik Satie’s Gnossiennes and Gymnopédies and stuff. He’s completed Albert Ayler. He’s completed pop music. He’s completed Louis Armstrong. The style that he’s displaying on this challenge is finished in such a punk method, with completely zero respect for something aside from getting at what the essence of the music is. He’s totally like, ‘I don’t give a fuck about conference.’ That, to me, is likely one of the most punk issues you are able to do.”

Sister Rosetta Tharpe

“She is somebody I preserve coming again to. Her taking part in is so lovely. I feel the life she led was very sophisticated and punk in numerous methods. Listening to that distortion – I don’t know that I wish to envision the place guitar would have gone if she hadn’t influenced individuals like Chuck Berry. That’s a loopy ‘what if?’ for me. What if Chuck Berry doesn’t hear Sister Rosetta Tharpe’s distorted slide, bizarre gospel-blues, early rock and roll hybrid factor? I like the best way she performed with gender dynamics. Generally it’ll be her completely completed up taking part in guitar, and it’s all simply dudes in fits behind her. At the moment, you’ll assume {that a} girl wouldn’t be fronting a bunch of males, particularly the place non secular or devotional music is anxious. She’s a fucking badass. She’s so good. I’ve been considering so much about her taking part in not too long ago – there’s that uncompromising melodic strategy, a splash of leisure worth, and it’s really boundary-breaking.”

Mike Huguenor

“I feel I gotta decide my good friend Mike, from Jeff Rosenstock’s band. He was in Shinobu and Exhausting Ladies, who we toured with so much. He has such an intuitive method of taking part in the guitar. I like watching him play. I like the alternatives he makes. And clearly I get to speak to him about all this shit on a regular basis, too. I feel the primary time we met was in 2015 or 2016 and one of many first individuals we bonded over was Albert Ayler, a free jazz saxophone participant. I used to be like, ‘Oh, right here’s my man, that is my dude proper right here!’ He’s additionally very, very humorous and so, so cool. I can’t think about Jeff’s band with out him and I feel Exhausting Ladies had been such an underappreciated band.”

PUP’s Who Will Look After The Canines? is out on 2 Could by Rise/Little Dipper.




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